It was like someone flipped a switch, and I fell in love with Jesus. But, a money maker? a smarmy, unctuous reply. Amy Smith of the blog Watchkeep has documented her experience there, and it bears much of the hallmarks of a cult. have caused them to *go astray,*. https://www.watermark.org/about/governance. Our mission is to make disciples who are marked by the presence of God in order to leave a lasting mark. In His end the crowd that He drew wanted to see Him tortured to death in the most cruel way possible. If you dont fill out the form you can leave easy if your just quiet. Jesus is is merely a mascot and a marketing word. The Dallas ISD board of trustees approved the sale in late August; records show Watermark paid $211,000 for nine acres of building and bare land off Second Avenue a steal, no matter the. Read More. . And, there was zero pressure from church leadership to do so. People are insecure, confused, listen to gossip,Read more . I wonder what is considered a lavish lifestyle. We know a number of people who attend Watermark due to our 10 year stay in dallas. What does being your authentic self really mean, in the context of community groups? Several weeks after Leventhals resignation, Wagner separately decided to step down as senior pastor and elder, the churchs statement said. If I thought I couldnt work with someone I wouldnt be turning around and working with them. utterly un-credible. Approach with caution but it is OK to approach. If a member doesnt leave in good standing, WM will pursue that person and enforce church discipline. Mind Games The Bizarre & Controling Culture of When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. I am certainly not an atheist and am a regular church attender. XPastor recommends readers take special note of the resources provided by Watermark about the issue of Care and Correction. Pastors often receive the most judgement and its rarely considered that they likely face the most spiritual warfare. Unsure why he is getting criticized for living in a house that is experiencing uber appreciation b/c of the school district it resides in. I was so disappointed reading all the comments, especially when considering the targeted audience for this site. Wagner is all about control and he lost it. If you challenged him or the church you were quickly dismissed. MacArthur's Grace Community Church of Sun Valley had been involved in months of legal battles with state and local officials . I just loved his style of preaching. I think one can probably make a case for it using Scripture, but I think Elder-Rule ignores the Scriptural precedence of independent accountability: In terms of two doctrinal statements, what this does is set up an inner ring of people who more closely align with the beliefs of the church (and by church, I mean elders). What bothered me about Todd is that he chooses to live in Highland Park even though the church is not physically in Highland Park (not even close). Maybe because I have not had a negative experience with elder rule I do not see it as a problem. I can attest, when they claim no member of WM will ever go homeless, is a complete and total lie. Sounds like something Whoopie Goldburg would say. (How many of you have actually prayed for Todd)? I think you may have missed a decimal point according to the link in the post his house (verified to be the correct Todd Wagner) was a little over $1.5 million as of 2019. and so much mimicked behavior amongst the group. Im not taking about prosperity- One question is Both Wagner and Leventhal will remain at Watermark as elders emeritus. Ive never heard of nor attended a church with such a position. The Porch. While he was pastor at another church in Dallas he followed this same doctrine of sin and follower of Jesus Christ. Thats a new one on me. Theres a lot of talk and a lot of Christianese language, but its still impossible to say exactly what happened or exactly what is and was going on. For every story that IRead more . They did create it. The teaching statement wasnt explained to me in the membership process. I have however heard Todd Wagner say from the pulpit if youre not comfortable giving here thats ok, please give somewhere meaningful to you. Watermark, a fast-growing nondenominational church in northeast Dallas, says the case involves accusations of adultery, a wife who wanted to save her marriage, a husband who sat on a board of a national Christian organization, and another woman who works for another church. I went through the Re:Engage program twice early in its development. But, we ALL should be. Thats the other dallas todd wagner who is mark cubans partner. Why do you throw a stone (more likely without looking at yourselves first). I cannot imagine that Jesus, given all options, would choose to live among the wealthiest citizens in the most landscaped, luxurious part of the city. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Watermark Community Church review: fraud. Where appropriate, upon request,. Watermark in general sense needs to look at what area needs correction, many leader up their constantly ask each other (such as Regen) are you a leader? No longer fulfill the requirements of membership. Thanks for the reply. Susan felt it was ironic that I had made a comparison between Scientology and Watermark Church, because she said those same comparisons helped her realize that she was not in a healthy church. It was a class before the main church service where people around the same age as you sat in a room, listened to a bible lesson, maybe interacted a bit, shared prayer requests, took up a small offering, held hands and said a closing prayer. Not sure how much of a money maker it is since all we spend money on is the workbooks. Ill happily answer any questions, but for any Believers here I would strongly encourage you to first take this to the Lord in prayer, then His word, and then ask yourself if its healthy or wise or appropriate to make such claims about a person / place you know almost nothing about. Regardless I loved your passion and pray that Holy Spirit would cover you and lead you in the area that needs correction. One of His Disciples who signed a church membership contract?, Five Reasons to Say No to a Church Covenant Considering thatRead more , Dave It is disingenuous to minimize someone elses experience just because you did not witness it yourself. Thats for God to reveal or conceal. He added that there are just too many layers and that even Friedrich and Thompson land at a different place than (Leventhal and Wagner) regarding why weve arrived here., Both Wagner and Leventhal will remain at Watermark as elders emeritus, though the church said it is proactively pursuing men to add to the Elder team., According to the church website, Wagner and Leventhal will spend time with their families preparing for whatever the Lord has next.. The state of California and Los Angeles have agreed to pay $800,000 in legal fees to settle their lawsuit with John MacArthur's church over COVID-19 lockdown rules. In the video, Wagner said that the clarity to step down was not hasty, adding that the discernment process had started a year ago. Izael, Thank you for your comment. In the end, I do think it is a matter of opinion, but I think churches should lean toward transparency. So, if they can sell their copyrighted material, that is just the same as authors getting paid for their writing or bible study writers selling their studies in bookstores. The author writes in an article titled Regardless Lords will be done Prov 16:9 The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. When he stepped into an executive pastor role a few years back he didnt like that his replacement (JP) was more poly than he was so he didnt allow him to pastor/lead. Watermarks issues IMO are people issues more that content or material issues. So Leventhal resigned several weeks before Wagner, but theyre announcing this together, on the same day? Ill meet you. Below are screenshots of their membership covenant. * For What? Listening for root issues and how they cause hurt for make more senses than listening to reply in a sermon. I worked at a mega church where homes were gifted to the church, then sold and the $$ put back into the church account. Did he stay and open his churches to the people that were cold and hungry? He first goes into the definition of the word cult which in latin is the word cultus, defined as to inhabit, dwell; to cultivate. I will never forget the screams of desperation and loss I felt as a young Christian woman. We are talking about a CHURCH here, not the mafia. Elder Mickey Friedrich then urged the church not to try and judge whose version of events is right or wrong. There are no congregational votes nor do individual members have a 'say' in how things are handled. By our measure our savior Jesus was a total and complete failure. In my opinion, its best to have the teaching statement serve as the unifying statement that covers both members and elders, so that those who attend and who are working through their beliefs dont prematurely sign a membership covenant that in reality places them under the pastoral authority of elders who adhere to the teaching statement. But, you provide NO evidence, NO situations its all relative the woman in the mumbai slum may see the person in Dallas who rents a room as having luxuries, who sees the person living in their own apartment as having luxuries. In some ways this reminds me of the CJ Mahaney and Sovereign Grace debacle. Our church does Re-engage and we love it. One of the core values of the community groups is Live Authentically, which they define as being completely honest with one anotherthis means giving others permission to know the real you by sharing authentically. This includes sharing your sins, struggles, along with your entire life story, potentially to a room full of complete strangers. Im sorry to hear of judgement that has been passed around. or. I received some emails from former Watermark Church members who wanted to tell their stories, but were hesitant to share too much online, for fear of repercussions, or as I refer to it, fair game. You made friends with whoever you wanted to and you shared what you felt like sharing. The building was used for free to us (but not them). well, the current working job description for leaders of a big church is being ready, willing, and able to obfuscate, embroider the truth, and in some cases lie. The church also produces a popular marriage curriculum called re|engage that is used in more than 370 churches nationwide. Spiritual authority is the result of Gods power shown through spiritual gifts and deep experiences with God. A pastor or elder does not automatically have spiritual authority due to his position in a church. Which by the way, most of north Dallas (including Lake Highlands) has experienced the same level of appreciation. You can see it on their instagram! JP ended up leaving because of it. We don't remove someone's formal status as a member for struggling with sin - whether that sin is pride, materialism, or sexual sin. As I read Scripture I recognized it didn't have to be my opinion vs. Tony's anymore. Again from the Watermark Church document: 1.Voluntary termination of Membership is available to any Member in good standing upon written request of that Member. The guy has an ad that comes on YouTube where he goes through how his org is run. 4774 square feet also poor stewardship unless hes raising 8 kids or something. These resources are found in Appendix V and Appendix VI at the end of this case study and in the clarifications given by Watermark in the section Watermark's Response to the Nation. Elder and staff member David Leventhal stepped down in late March, citing "an erosion of trust" in Wagner's ability to lead. Its upto Him. I take at face value Susan has hurt and I feel compassion for her. And then they agree to work on the same board? These overly dramatic talks tend to make me feel like Im not spiritual enough or theyre covering up something. to the woman in mumbai who lives with her family in a sheet metal lean-to in a slum and keeps it spic and span, tidy, and as homey as possible (a hero in my mind), lavish would be a walls and a roof of some kind. Move away 2.Join another (approved) church 3. obey your leaders? Could just be their abilities to appear a certain way up in front of a crowd. Very humble of you. if servant leadership plus Jesus Christ means anything, it logically using financial means to serve others. Theyre not only going to write you off but theyll make sure your entire community group does too.Read more , [] of absence in September 2020 to work on prideful sin that was increasingly becoming visible to church members. Does anyone find this highly hypocritical? Thats the problem often times one comes on a hot seat and forgets one day would come that same thing that man have to face. The Yelp algorithm is strange. In layman's terms, that means all decisions concerning the governance of the church are made by the elders, not by the members. Also, please note, you are free to leave Watermark Church at any time. The only fees were for the materials we used. Sure, we made friends with our peers in the class and had fun at summer camp, and it all developed out of normal human interaction. A church membership contract errr. I came to watermark on a visit with my sons family. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Spiritual authority has nothing to do with title, education, or rhetorical ability (2 Cor 10-13). Appreciate your response! Love you Todd I bet some of you, dont attend or are part of the church, Jealousy amongst many of you I can smell from here. If by community you mean confessing every single sin in your life to a group of virtual strangers, disclosing your personal financial information, and seeking the approval of the group to change jobs, buy a house, start a family then no,Read more , Christian community can have so many different levels, and not everyone is seeking the same depth in all relationships. I think you need to expand on the 4B Spiritual Assessment forms. Some of the most notable settlements are described below. Its a huge red flag to me about Todds character and understanding of God. Outsourced: How Watermark Community Church Fails in Caring for Its Members, The Spin Cycle Watermark Community Church Members Unlikely to Ever Know the Truth Behind Resignations, Before You Sign: What You Need to Know About Membership Covenants, Making the Cut What Does It REALLY Take to Become a Member at Watermark Community Church, Dallas Megachurch Pastor Todd Wagner Resigns, Cites Pride as the Reason, https://www.watermark.org/about/governance, OUR COMMUNITY SERIES: Being Lonely in a Group of People | To Love, Honor and Vacuum, Leaders trying to drain members in order to live exorbitant lives. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Darren, heres what I see are the problems with Elder-Rule church government. I dont think so. A calendar of future events, classes, Bible studies, and programs happening with Watermark Community Church. Having community is not the issue its how Watermark DEFINES community. Cant even begin to address this without feeling a sense of disappointment. (although my personal view is a modest lifestyle is best for all, and all things considered,). Evangelical Church. Watermark Churchs membership process first requires that you sign themembership covenant, which oddly enough, you can do online. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. | Grace Community Church. Kind of smarmy too., You use some strong name calling, words Even through this challenges we can be so judgements these day. I am 63. Not in your writing, but in the people who felt that they were being personally attacked and never took the time to speak to a leader or to actually consider the teachings that are found in the Bible. so what. Synopsis of the case is as follows. If you call Christ a savior then learn to make Him Todd portrays it all as a divine God told me sort of thing. Its all based on financial packages and NDAs now. Most people in the U.S. have a lavish lifestyle compared to most believers around the world. My soul was touched. How do you know Todd pays that? You CANNOT, however, attempt to withdraw membership to avoid church discipline. Wagner should have sold the home and elected to live a less extravagant neighborhood (Highland Park). Sure, lets not address anything that is rumored to be strange about Watermark and say that Jesus sounded cultish. I was blessed to attend Kanakuk for years and years. And so have I. Remember the verse when most friends depart, there is one who stays closer then the brother. We did one a week, so this stretch over several weeks. Darren, I think I get where youre coming from with the idea of a teaching statement. it simply looks very bad. However, if you have any experience with these covenants or have heard stories of people who have dealt with a church where they signed one of these and there was a point of contention or disagreement, you know that these are LEGALLY binding agreements and can be used against you (re: current The Village Church lawsuit& the Karen Hinkley story.). Please would you please explain a bit more about this take on Christs death. that the elder board was ready to go in Todds leadership direction. Our mission is to Love God, Love People, and Serve the World. He confirmed Leventhals statement that the two are at peace and are in community together.. Many won't perform gay marriage. I dont know if I am over-reacting when Todd made a off the cuff remark about taking his wife some where last week where she could be warm. What a strange and often sad world much of American white evangelicalism has become. As the CG leader, I went first. The over-humility seems fake, like false humility. A major focus of the Community Groups at Watermark and many other churches is to foster the development of deep connection with a small group of fellow believers that enables true Christian accountability. Their countenances in the video departure statements appear to be quite different. I was a member for nearly 14 years, sure bunch of us saw some challenges (as some churches may face) not doubt. Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. The Judge overseeing this case is TAPSCOTT, KEN. For ye were as *sheep going astray;* The house was gifted to him by an extremely successful member of the church. Embattled Dallas megachurch Senior Pastor Todd Wagner has resigned from his position after accusations of spiritual abuse led elders to question his leadership of Watermark Community Church. I assured those who wanted to speak out with their stories that I would not identify them or use any details in my post that could be used to identify them. Wow Andy, you got to do more than just Google the name brother. Secondly he says that even Jesus himself said things that might be considered cultish: If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26. Sort of as God told him and his wife that it was time to move on to the next thing God has planned. The Bible says in Hebrews 4:13, Nothing in all creation is hidden from Gods sight. Todd uses God to accomplish his goals ofRead more , We briefly visited WM; I quickly told my husband, this place is the cult of Todd and will implode without him. Thats not Todds fault, but no thanks. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Definitely they are important to Christian theology, but they fall within a spectrum of orthodox third-rank doctrines. Its clear as mud. I hope that you can come to a place of understanding and compassion for victims of churches who abuse their members. * For What? Scripture also says live your neighbor as yourself.folks many of you here have already missed that mark. He walked with an air of superiority that was disgusting. However, an expert on church property law says the churches . There is clearly some issues, but isnt Lord bug enough to handle it, even at the worst of Todd missed the boat? This piece has been updated. in ones own city or metropolis, for starters. You may be thinking of a different Todd Wagner, who is a longtime partner of Mark Cuban. Stonebriar Community Church. All of the years I attended Kanakuk I had awesome and incredible counselors except for Todd. Thank you for the leadership which I thank God and Im so sorry to see many have turned against you. Readers write about Watermark Community Church's stance on gays, Ken Paxton suing Brownsville, black lives also matter, Michelle Obama and Dallas Stars fans. Once you see it, you cant unsee it. to the homeless person in Dallas, it might be a hot meal and a warm bed, a job, eventually a home of some kind (a room to call their own, a studio, an apartment,). Thats for God to reveal or conceal.. Does God want everyone to be broke? Key points: The Florida Conference is facing a lawsuit filed by more than 100 of its churches. This was the same concept as we moved on to adult Sunday school. The building and nine acres of land located in an area of Dallas that has a predominant minority population were purchased by the evangelical church for $211,000, according to a government document. Having been a Watermark (now CityBridge) member since 2016 have never EVER heard these messages thatSusan speaks of. I have edited some of her answers for content and length. Is this standard really higher or is it just more specific? They were not giving Him a standing ovation. She has never seriously considered getting involved with the church beyond that, but has expressed to me that it is quite difficult to actually get connected at Watermark Church because everything is centered around MEMBERSHIP and COMMUNITY GROUPS and you cant have one without the other. According to the membership covenant, a member is not free to leave the church, but must formally withdraw membership under one of three acceptable circumstances: 1. It is mentioned in this article. He comes back, preaches, and the elder board is moving forward with reinstating him and Leventhal has qualms about it. BUT are now returned to Community groups are the epicenter of Watermark Church. Evangelical Church. And thanks for the word smarmy. i expect someone who represents Jesus Christ in a leadership capacity to live in accordance to Jesus message on money and wealth. Did You Know This Church Is Closely Aligned with 9 Marx (sic) Remember how CJ wrote a book on humility and then some of the staff said he was anything but and instead was quite controlling. Its almost as if Mr. Wagner is concerned that more detailed information will come out. Im thankful you have experienced the controlling, entrapment, and triangulating side of WM. I wonder what is considered a humble enough lifestyle to please all the rest of us looking in and offering our opinion about something we probably do not know enough about We didnt share our financial information until almost a year into our meeting. It sounds like people from the church may have gotten some things wrong, but I know so many people that haveRead more , Pdiddy The taxes ALONE on the house Todd lives in are over $30K a year, which is probably the salary of some WM staff members. What does all white and all males have to do absolutely anything with regard to this situation? Did You Know This Church Is Closely Aligned with 9 Marx (sic) Its all sunshine and roses till you see it firsthand. In response to a tweet by a critic questioning Wagners seeming humility when he announced he was taking a leave of absence in September, Wagner tweeted: Mission accomplished. Wagner later deleted that tweet. I dont know folks.if you have to go online and record a video to explain how your church is not a cult..this might lead into a Jeff Foxworthy joke! He found my blog while researching the similarities between Scientology and Watermark Church. I would be ok disclosing financial information to my community group. The Watermark spokesperson explained that the church followed the Dallas Independent School District's "standard and customary process for this . . Photo taken March 7, 2014. Before you Sign. It is an interesting discussion. Take Your Power Back we all know many invested their heart and lives into this place, only to be punished and abused when their performance was not up to the public image WM wanted society to perceive of their organization. Watermark Community Church abuse. Tim The information is on Watermark Churchs website: Voluntary Member Termination: Members who move from the local area, change churches, or no longer meet the requirements for active Membership may be removed from Watermark Membership.. If the answer or NONE then you need to look at your own lives and see if correction is needed. One is very wealthy and likely the one who lives in the house you mentioned. Fournet is now listed as an elder emeritus, but Bucheck no longer appears on Watermarks leadership page. and oversee the spiritual interests of our church body. Another requirement for membership is that you find an area in which to serve in the church. You are probably the person ego roles in Lexuss each day when you pull in the church but if Lord has gifted something you are too quick to put that person under the bus. Wowza, what does Whoopie have to do with this? As for the doctrinal statement issue, I see what you are saying. It was meant to jerk everyones chain. Just checking out the church and looking at the background info the house has tripled in value since the Wagners bought it 20 years ago hardly a 7 figure home when purchased. Im saying that outta love and also saying it truly saddens me to see many of you have hardened your hearts. that would be a better fit. He did end the video by defining what HE thought the three marks of a cult were: Im going to address #3, because I did my own Google search of the Dallas County Central Appraisal District and discovered that Todd Wagner lives in a $1.5 million dollar home in a very prestigious area of Dallas. We can be so judgements these day plus Jesus Christ you know this is! 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