Official Description. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. You are using an out of date browser. the handling/liability of pensions etc. I suspect not many. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. JavaScript is disabled. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. It's the name of the island ffs. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). The rail system is a public service not an art gallery. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. I suppose they are quite bland. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? You are using an out of date browser. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. [7]. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. It does because it's public perception. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. It still has to look good decades from now. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. Brunswick Green. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Home Forums Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. JavaScript is disabled. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. JavaScript is disabled. JavaScript is disabled. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. All Regions. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. Heh. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. "Great" means "large", not "very good". it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. Could GBRTT be right for you? However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. Old does not necessarily = bad. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . [citation needed]. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). It may not display this or other websites correctly. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? What is of 2020s Britain then? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Northern and TPE split into separate Northwest and Northeast brands. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. Erm are you sure about that? It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. JavaScript is disabled. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. Then theres the question of livery. Bare minimum, low effort. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. The attachments illustrate this. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. If it was, that format would not be used by: If you need any proof, they've also just done the same with 'Great British Nuclear'. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. 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